Episode Transcript
Don (00:00)
think about there's a Verizon outage or, you know, today, right? When we're recording, panic in the streets, you know, no one's phones are working. Like, oh my God, we literally cannot function without the internet now. imagine telling that to somebody in like the eighties, hey, there's going to be this magical thing that's kind of like radio, right? You can't
Rob (00:07)
done
Yeah.
Don (00:20)
It's these transmitted waves through the air, And yet when it turns off, you can't do any business whatsoever. You can't make any phone calls. it's like, what? What are you guys, talking about? You know what I mean? I mean, that's like, we're completely dead in the water.
Rob (00:27)
Yeah.
Don (00:55)
All right, we're back, Rob episode 156.
Rob (00:58)
going 156 not an exciting number it's just kind of there you know I mean it's just
Don (01:00)
I know.
Now, now I mean, I don't know, I guess
200 is the 175 is a mind, mind, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we got to keep this train rolling. So. All right, I let it be known that I know last time we talked, we were talking about edge shaving gel. And I went and I stocked up and they change their logo. So everything I was saying about how they had the same logo, the it's the
Rob (01:09)
Yeah, I think quarterly is good. 175 will be monumental. Yeah.
and I'm, yes, we were.
Don (01:33)
D and the E or the G and the E were the same flip like I went to CVS. Okay, and they're and they're and they're flip flopped or whatever the deal is or upside down and right side up, you know. Now it's like on an angle and it's italicized. It's whatever. Anyway, but I was so disappointed. So I did take a picture of the of my little one that that ran out of sauce though. But I went full freight on your recommendation. I went full, full giant. So and I'm all
Rob (01:34)
The D and the G.
No, it's the D and the G next to each other.
Yeah. Yeah.
Okay, no, no, no problems
so far.
Don (02:03)
Yeah,
yeah, nope, no problems yet. So quick follow up on that. ⁓ But but what are we talking about today? Because we're not talking about any more shaving. We're done with shaving.
Rob (02:07)
free.
No
more shaving. Yeah, I thought, been working on some web projects and in doing so, thinking just about user experience and things like that. We'll get into some of that in a little bit. But I thought it would be interesting to talk about what are your favorite...
apps on your phone and why? What makes them your favorite apps? And it can be anything. There's no right or wrong answer here. But I thought that might lead us to an interesting place.
Don (02:34)
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
Yeah. Well, let me throw this back out at you. Do you have your phone organized? Do you have your apps on your phone or tablet organized by ⁓ like, like in folders in like minded thing? Or is it just this? Okay, you're like me. It's just a scap. It's just page after page.
Rob (03:03)
It is the way I try
to organize it is the first screen are the ones I use the most and so on and so on down the line. And so, you know, yeah, the ones I don't use are, on.
Don (03:09)
Yep, there you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The follow up to this conversation
is what app has been on your phone for seven years that you've never opened? That'll be the follow up. well, I'll get going. guess the first one, how many screens do I have? That's a great question. Here, all right. ⁓
Rob (03:21)
There are some, I'm sure. Yeah. How many screens do you have? Yeah, like how many screens of apps do you have? I'll count mine.
Let's see.
Don (03:36)
I've got four. Now I do have one folder. I asked you the question about do you nestle them together. I have one folder of like Apple apps that like I never use that you just can't delete that I just throw into like a utilities folder or something like that. It's got all the junk in there like I just don't want to deal with it or whatever. Seven pages of apps, that's a lot of apps.
Rob (03:49)
Yeah, yeah, fair.
I have seven.
Yeah, yeah, but you're right, as I'm looking at them, half of them are like, I would never use this.
Don (04:02)
Yeah, mean, apps for me are news, entertainment, and then streaming, things like, if I had to bucket it into three things, right? if we're talking just actual, like not a Netflix or Hulu considering if that's an app or whatever, I'd say probably the app I hit the most is Blue Sky because I was a big Twitter guy back in the day, right? And so I just, you
Rob (04:09)
Yeah.
of that.
Don (04:28)
I have my little curated lists of people and things and topics that I follow. So it's a little bit of ⁓ news, a little bit of entertainment, things like that. So I probably check Blue Sky every day. But an app I'll never give up that I just love, love, love is eBay. I know that sounds crazy, but like...
Rob (04:38)
Okay.
You've
always been a biggie bear.
Don (04:46)
I love eBay, man. I love I love seeing what's out there. I will see something on Amazon or I'll see something out and then, know, and I'll just start snooping around on eBay or like we were watching that show Golden, the Golden Collectibles show. Right. And, ⁓ you know, now I guess he's bought by eBay or whatever the deal is. Right. But it's like, you're talking about all these crazy collectibles. It's just you end up searching on eBay. I'm like, what is out there and what are people spending money on? And like, yes, I will buy things on eBay. But I also like to be a lurker.
Rob (04:58)
Yeah, right,
Don (05:15)
on eBay and just see like the crazy things that people that are listed out there and things like that. So. yeah. yeah, dude. I'm probably watching 80 different things right now. And then I get emails that are like, you know, hey, 10 % off. And it's like, I'm never going to buy this. I don't even know. I liked it so that I could so that I could see it if I ever wanted to see it again. But I don't really have any intent to purchase because most of the time, if you're ready to buy something, you're just going to buy it. You're not going to sit there for a week and wait.
Rob (05:20)
Yeah, do you watch? Are you watching things? do you? yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, guess
that's the, and I'm going to sound like an idiot. I'm not traditionally a big eBay-er, but it's still, there's still, I mean, there's always the buy it now option, right? But it's still time-based auctions. I mean, is that still the 96 % of it?
Don (05:52)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
I think most of the listings are probably buy it nows because you just listed for 30 days and automatically re-ops or you can even do a setting where it just slowly starts to decrease in price until it's sold for you, if that makes sense. Right. But there's a fair amount of auctions. don't really, I mean,
Rob (06:07)
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah.
Don (06:20)
I'm gonna
get a good deal on that. Whatever. You know what mean?
Rob (06:22)
I think you're
right. mean, we're so, you know, thanks to Amazon, we're so like, if you're going to buy it, you're going to buy it. Unless it's like a big ticket item and like a...
Don (06:27)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, I mean,
the differentiation between Amazon to eBay for me is ⁓ make an offer. Right. I can't make an offer on Amazon. Amazon is what it is. Right. But if I see something where it's like, hey, I don't need it tomorrow. I don't need it in the next three days. Hell, I don't need it for two weeks. Like, ship it whenever you ship it. Who cares? You know, and it's a, know, like trying to think of one of the last things I bought it like my Dremel. I bought a Dremel off of eBay. Right.
Rob (06:42)
Breath, breath.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Don (06:59)
⁓ And my Dremel crapped out the motor went out whatever that I don't want to pay full freight on a Dremel like I use it. I love a Dremel don't get me wrong, but it's not like I'm using this thing every day and I'm you know, it's like my livelihood. It's like ⁓ it's nice to have a Dremel right? So it's listed for whatever it is 70 bucks on Amazon, but it's like on eBay. It's like someone's got a listed for 60 bucks free shipping and it's be like hey, man. I'll give you 45 bucks and the counter at 50 bucks and you say sure.
Rob (07:13)
Yeah.
Don (07:26)
And then you feel good about yourself, you save 10 bucks, and then it comes when it comes, you know, that type of thing. So now there is the chance that, you know, sometimes you're buying new things, sometimes you're buying used things. Yeah, exactly. So I mean, you know, maybe it'll crap out or whatever that so. Yeah.
Rob (07:30)
Yeah. Yeah.
Refurbished, yeah.
Well, Amazon, they have refurbished stuff. They do have used
stuff too. I just bought a camera actually. My daughter wanted a nice camera. She sent me a link for a camera for Christmas. And it was like, this is like a $700 camera. I'm like, are you? You're not, no, absolutely not. So I found it. I mean, it's a nice Canon, know, whatever. Oh, I actually have the, yeah, here's the certified refurbished.
Don (07:46)
Yeah. Okay.
my god.
Yeah, yeah. Okay.
DSO,
there
you go. OK, here we go.
Rob (08:06)
Via Amazon so I bought it
I found one on Amazon certified refurbished for like $200 or you know, mean, whatever was significant cost savings I'm not sure she's gonna be the next Ansel Adams, but if she is then within we can upgrade down the road
Don (08:13)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
I start somewhere. yeah, I love love eBay. mean, eBay is a fun, you know, I mean, it's an app, I guess I started as a website. I mean, basically, it's an app, you know, so what about you?
Rob (08:30)
Yeah. Well, it's also
fresh because it's always evolving. It's always new stuff. And what do we have now?
Don (08:35)
Yeah. It's crazy to
think how some of these pillars have been around for 20 some odd years now. You know, like it's just kind of it's like foundational building blocks of the internet. I remember like your first eat. Wait a minute. I'm to send some stranger money. Like what what? And then hope. Yeah. And hope that they send me something through the mail. Like what are we talking about here? Like I am totally going to get ripped off. And now it's like, whatever. Like here you go. Just sell you the money or whatever. You know, like
Rob (08:40)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, and hope that they send me a package.
We are.
It
was a brave new world at the time.
Don (09:05)
Yeah,
the behavior set has changed. All right, what's your favorite app?
Rob (09:09)
Mine's gonna be really disappointing. Mine is, I know, well yours is fun and exciting, it's eBay, we're buying things and things are great. My favorite app, ⁓ favorite is a weird word.
Don (09:16)
We're gonna set the level of expectation.
Rob (09:29)
One of the apps I admire most, how about that, ⁓ is the Delta app. I love the Delta app. It is, and here's why. Well, A, I love to travel. ⁓ B, it is so well done that the user experience is, I don't wanna say it's gamified, but it's almost gamified. And here's what I mean by that.
Don (09:31)
Okay, sure.
Delta. Okay. Okay, I don't think that's boring.
Mm, interesting.
Okay.
Rob (09:56)
You know, I track all my points and my miles and things. so, you know, every night I get an update on, you, you got this many more MQDs. So literally every morning I open it to go, how many did I get last night? Like it's a weird.
Don (10:05)
Okay.
Now call me crazy. I think you
have a Delta card as well, don't you, that feeds into miles and things like that? Yeah, okay. yeah, all right.
Rob (10:14)
yeah, yeah, Yeah. And so it's
all, ⁓ and it is so easy to book a trip. can see when you're flying, you, mean, just it's so, the upgrade list and the thing is like, love everything about it. And it's weird that I checked the Delta app every morning. It is strange because I'm not booking a trip every morning. ⁓ I literally look at it every day. I know it's so weird.
Don (10:27)
Yeah. Yeah.
And that is a little that you use it every day. You take a peek. Well, it's good to
have somebody to look forward to. But you know, you do love to travel. One thing I do know about you and you have trips on the calendar ready to you know what mean? Like there's always something to look forward to. Right. ⁓ They do not have the TSA security baked into the ⁓ Delta app yet, though, do they? Have you?
Rob (10:50)
Yeah. Yeah.
What do you mean by that?
Don (11:02)
My daughter turned me on to the like, you can go to like the Hartsfield ⁓ app and it'll show you all of the weight line, the TSA weight and all the different security checkpoints and this and that and whatever that like, you know, different airports have different scenarios, but I don't think that's baked into the Delta app yet, right? Okay.
Rob (11:11)
yeah, the weight lines for everything. Yeah.
No, I don't think that they have
that in the, I have that for the, what she's talking about, for you can see for Hartsfield. Yeah, it's awesome.
Don (11:23)
For Hartsfield? Yeah, yeah. It's remarkably accurate.
Yeah, yeah, it really is, it really is. ⁓ Yeah, I don't think that's, I think it's, ⁓ that's a sign of ⁓ excellent branding, but also like utilization forward, right? It's like using ⁓ the Bank of America website and then using your local credit unions online banking. And it's like, ⁓
Rob (11:41)
It just...
That's the worst. It's the worst.
Don (11:52)
Like you call this online banking? this is not online bank. Like this is the work. Like I do not feel secure about this. What's a Bank of America? It's like, my God, this is the they have the top shelf. I'm going to call it like online experience for how to deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now they're in another in banking experience might be my we might need some work on the in bank, the in branch experience. But yeah.
Rob (11:55)
Yeah.
It's the best online banking there is, I think.
Well, yeah, well, there's a reason for that. They don't want you going
in branches anymore. ⁓
Don (12:20)
Exactly, exactly, exactly. But Delta
is like that. I mean, the Delta app compared to like the JetBlue app, for example, because I've been flying JetBlue, it's far superior for sure.
Rob (12:27)
It is. Now they will have what they do have is whatever
airport you're in, you can check the Sky Club and it will tell you how busy it is. So you can go to this gate and you're like, they're like, no, red. It's on red. ⁓
Don (12:39)
Yeah. Yeah.
I like I don't do clubs, man. I just sit right at my gate and I people watch and I'm waiting. I know that's horrible. I don't get it either.
Rob (12:47)
That is, I don't understand that. And you're
also, we were talking about punctuality last time. I believe that you're sitting there for a long, long time before you're playing this.
Don (12:53)
Hmm? Hmm?
yeah, dude, I'm there for
a couple hours. Yeah, just just taking it all in for sure. So I got burned once so bad and I was so I'm just scarred that I can't help it now. And yet still, I keep doing the same thing over and over again. And I don't need to do that. And here's what I mean by that. Like, I keep getting there ridiculously early and I don't need to do it. But I can't but I can't help myself. I just I don't want to miss my flight. You it's it's, know, it's a two hour flight. And yet for some strange reason, for me, it's a full day of travel.
Rob (13:19)
We're creating that.
Don (13:27)
You know, like it's just, it makes no sense. So I'm an oddball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ I think app wise. Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ all right. I'll, I'll throw, I'll throw a meadow bone and say, Hey, I'm like the rest of the world. And I check Instagram, you know, and the next thing I know,
Rob (13:28)
Yeah, yeah. Well, my wife is a professional traveler, and so she's got all the tips and tricks down. ⁓ But anyway, I love that app. It's a great app. It's really, really well done.
Don (13:51)
I'm looking at all this content that I don't follow. I don't subscribe to are not any of my friends or anyone that I like. And it's been 700 posts in a row of things that I don't know what they are or ads. And then I'm like, I need to stop this. ⁓
Rob (13:58)
Yeah.
Yeah. It's gotten out of control. And I know we're in the ad business, but like
the retargeting is, it's out of control. I mean, you go look at one website and then just you open Instagram and it's just inundation. So I love Instagram. I mean, more and more, as we all know, the web is a cesspool. And social media is pretty much a cesspool as well. If not more so than the web in general, but.
Don (14:15)
yeah, it's totally insane.
It's horrible.
Yeah,
I mean it's scientifically proven and not be good for your brain. just pencils down everyone like it's not good for you. Weather I mean.
Rob (14:36)
You're right. That's right. That's right. ⁓ All right. Any other? Well,
so that, so I guess that leads me to.
I'm trying to get us back to planning for sites and the user experience. I love the Delta app because the user experience is great and the user interface is great and the whole customer journey is great. It makes sense. ⁓ And so, you know, we're working on a few web projects now and
Don (14:56)
Yeah. Totally.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Rob (15:11)
And what we found, and this is going to sound obvious to anyone with a brain really, ⁓ but I think oftentimes people, agencies will rush to get a project ⁓ in-house and start working on it without proper planning. And I found that to be really, really true on websites, right? And so...
Don (15:33)
Yeah. Yeah.
Rob (15:35)
You know, we get asked the question often, well, how much does a website cost? And we've talked about this before, but I don't know, how much does a house cost? Or how much does a car cost? ⁓ Yeah, and we've sort of gotten to this process now where we've refined what we call sort of the road mapping and blueprinting of the project. And it's critical when we...
Don (15:42)
Yeah. Technology definition matters.
Rob (15:58)
you know, when somebody comes to us and wants a site, we tell them, hey, you got to spend a little money upfront to roadmap this thing and to figure out what we're building. But it's not just what we're building. It's planning it out and interviewing all of the stakeholders and making sure that we understand, you know, everything from the very specific, you know, down in the weeds technology platforms that different companies and clients are using. Some are way more sophisticated and have a lot of systems.
other CRM's, HubSpot, things we need to plug into. Others are more mom and pop and they don't need that heavy technology integration. But we gotta understand the technology side of it. ⁓
Don (16:31)
Yeah. Yeah.
Rob (16:42)
And then importantly, we have to understand what does the customer journey look like, right? So like, who are all the different types of users that are going to be interacting with the site? And what do we want them to do? How do we want them to move through the site? Do we want them to buy a widget? Do we want them to just go, wow, we find this brand trustworthy, let me pick up the phone and call. What do we want that journey to be like? And then importantly, how do we guide them on that path?
Don (17:05)
Yeah, absolutely.
Rob (17:12)
if they don't know what they want, the customer. We kind of can move them through the funnel or the pathway. And then think lastly, as we're planning stuff out, it's defining, I'll call it success criteria, right? And asking the client, what does success look like to you?
Don (17:17)
Absolutely.
Mm-hmm. Absolutely.
Rob (17:31)
And that's twofold. That's, ⁓ and it can be, well, success to me looks like you guys build the site, I own it, I can upload pictures, I can change copy, can content manage it. ⁓ Success looks like, my gosh, more people are buying my widget now. I've made more sales, whatever it is. But I think it's just, I think it's easy to jump into a project and just start going without the proper planning.
And I think we've learned, I know I have learned by doing that that can lead to, I don't want to say critical mistakes, but it can, you know, it removes guardrails from the project and that's always a potential problem. So proper planning, proper mapping, proper, you know, all of that is critical to the project success.
Don (18:12)
Yeah agreed agreed. I mean
Yeah, to your point about success criteria, you know, it's rare where we're starting something from scratch now, everybody already has something, right? So they're coming to us with a different subset of problems. Here's what we have. And maybe they know where they want to go, but or maybe they don't. And there's a lot of like,
Rob (18:29)
Yeah. Right.
Don (18:41)
We just don't like it or we don't or it's older this or that random nebulous comments which beg the question why right? We have to ask a lot of why questions right? Ultimately trying to filter that down to you know what is going to be a successful launch for you. What does that look like on your side of the fence from a practical perspective but also from a business perspective as well? You know.
Rob (18:44)
Yeah.
Right.
And sometimes there's
cases where we ask those questions and the answer ends up being, you don't really need a new site. You can take what you have and we can work with this and do that. And that's certainly great news for them. But maybe we do need a new site, right? Just depending on the outcome of those interviews and conversations.
Don (19:13)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, no, think it's important to know. You said, hey, I've learned a lot. We don't run website projects like how we did 10 years ago because no one utilizes the web like how they used it 10 years ago. So I think it's important to keep up with technology and keep up with business practices and success criteria and whatnot. But that's because all of us are moving through the river of technology.
Rob (19:32)
Correct.
Don (19:51)
but you know, and utilizing everything differently. mean, it's, you know, think about there's a Verizon outage or, you know, today, right? When we're recording, mean, panic in the streets, you know, no one's phones are working. Like, oh my God, we literally cannot function without the internet now. I mean, imagine telling that to somebody in like the eighties, you know what I mean? Like, hey, there's going to be this magical thing that's kind of like radio, right? You can't see it.
Rob (20:04)
done
Yeah.
Don (20:20)
It's these transmitted waves through the air, right? And yet when it turns off, you can't do any business whatsoever. You can't make any phone calls. know, it's like, what? What are you guys, what are you talking about? You know what I mean? I mean, that's like, we're completely dead in the water. You know, that type of thing, right? ⁓ And yet it happens to everyone everywhere. know, Delta had a crowd strike outage. You know what I mean? Like Meta, we're talking about Instagram. Instagram goes down, you know, for how many hours? You know, like.
Rob (20:28)
Yeah.
Don (20:48)
It's ⁓ so weird to think about, right? But it's not what it used to be, and neither are we, and neither is the process in terms of how to get to that successful launch, you know?
Rob (21:00)
Circling back to the irrelevant circling back to the to the favorite apps question I would say And some people like it some people hate it I am a ways. I am a big ways person. Okay Well, sometimes it's not accurate sometimes it's like I just went around I know a better way to go because I'm local You know what? I mean, it's that kind of it's that kind of
Don (21:15)
Why do people hate Waze?
Okay.
Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Well, I mean, have you ever gotten in an Uber and the Uber map tells you to go a certain way and you're like, no, no, Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's technology.
Rob (21:29)
Yeah. And And you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, go this way, go this way. But I was, was, so Waze
I use all the time. And I loved when they had like, oh, you could use Morgan Freeman's voice or whatever else. I don't know if they do that anymore, but that was so great. But I was driving. And so I use that app all the time. I was driving with my daughter last weekend to look at prom dresses. That's a whole different story.
Don (21:39)
yeah. Do they still do the different voices or no? Okay. Yeah.
every day.
Rob (21:58)
where we were driving to look at prom dresses and we were going to this little place ⁓ way up wherever. Anyway, and I had ways open and I'm looking at ways and I said to her and I don't remember what prompted it, but I said, hey, I said, honey, I want you to imagine something. And for frame of reference, folks, she's 16 about to turn 70. So she's right. And I said, I said, I want you to picture something. I said, what would you do if you didn't have
Don (22:28)
No maps, right? Yeah.
Rob (22:29)
an app and you didn't
have ways and you didn't have, and she's laughing and I'm like, no, no, no. Like, what would you do? like, imagine a world where you don't have that. And she's like, I can't, how would you get anywhere? I was like, well, you would have a big map. She said, well, how could you read the map while you're driving? I'm like, well, you wouldn't read it. mean, if I did, but you shouldn't, you pulled over and figured out where you were supposed to go.
Don (22:35)
Seriously. Yeah.
We all did. Yeah.
No. Yeah. Yeah.
And worst case scenario is you called wherever you were going and they would give you landmarks. Remember that? ⁓ we're by XYZ gas station or turn left. Yeah. Yeah. Turn left and such and such and yeah. Yeah.
Rob (23:02)
Yeah.
Yeah, you stopped at the gas station and said, how do I get to Lake Raven? All right. Whatever it is. But I mean, it blew her mind
that there was a world where people actually did that and navigated stuff without. ⁓
Don (23:16)
Yeah. Well, I remember
like, hey, we all know where we're going. We live where we live and we know how to get to work and we know how to get to the mall. We know how to get to the grocery store. know, know, like wherever the gym, something like that. Right. And then suddenly we all started using maps to go to places we already knew how to get to. And I thought that was ridiculous when that first happened. Right. I was like to my wife, I'm like, why are you putting it like
Rob (23:24)
Yeah.
Yeah.
MapQuest, are we in MapQuest?
Don (23:45)
We know how to
get to where like on your Garmin or on your, you know, your Apple Maps or whatever, you know, and it was, no, no, no, no, no. Now it's about estimated arrival time and detours and traffic and stuff like that. It's almost like there's that whole layer of yes, we use maps to get to the bridal store because we don't know how to get there because we've never gone there before for sure. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. The the prom store. Excuse me. Excuse me. Yeah, that was bad. Sorry. ⁓
Rob (24:06)
It wasn't a bridal store, he's 16, thank goodness. The prom store.
I'll be back.
Don (24:15)
But it's the added layer now of extra functionality of traffic reports and oh, there's police warnings like what Waze does, Google Maps does that too. know what I mean? Like self-report. Oh, it's garbage on the road. know, all that kind of... It is an interesting tool in that respect. I don't really remember when that transition happened where it's like, hey, wherever you go now, you just put it in your maps just for that extra layer. It's bizarre.
Rob (24:29)
Yeah.
Yeah. Well, for a while
it was MapQuest and then you printed out your, you printed out your MapQuest directions and that was huge. And then, but yeah, now it's, now it's about, and I love the feature that's like, okay, I'm going somewhere. I need to arrive there by 4 15, the leave later function. And it's like, okay, we can leave your house at three o'clock or whatever it is.
Don (24:45)
yeah. yeah, dude. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,
it'll it'll it'll chime and tell you when you need to go. Right. Because because traffic when you search how to get there versus traffic when you actually leave or two totally different things. So yeah, I think I know I know. Well, hey, if we want to keep talking about being old, you know, I mean, you got to use the weather app. I mean, use a weather app every day. Right. So, yeah, everybody does. Everybody does. So
Rob (25:05)
That's right.
That's Data. It's crazy. What world out there? We sound like a bunch of old people.
Yeah, I do use the weather app every day.
Don (25:25)
No, think this is good. I think it's a good rich conversation about apps, but also UX and how that ties into the utilization of the human behavior, right, in terms of why they're successful, if that makes sense. So, yeah, it's cool.
Yeah, all right, yeah. Sure. People can find us at mocktheagency.com. Drop us a line, hit us on the follows, like and subscribe, all the good stuff. So we're pretty out there.
Rob (25:41)
All right, well, let's wrap it up around the corner here. Don, tell us where the people can find us. Why not you?
That's right.
And we will see you find folks back here for episode 157.
Don (25:57)
We'll see you next time.
Yeah, it's gonna be awesome. All right deuces everybody.
Rob (26:03)
I'm gonna go look at my-
Don (26:05)
Ha
